Suicide at Infosys
January 25, 2008
There was a suicide done by a girl in the Infosys, Mysore girl’s hostel. The news came from of the employees working in that campus. The possible reason told by the employees could be due to excessive pressure of training that she could not handle. Moreover the HR person there asked the other employees not to disclose this incident to secure the repo of the company.
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1. suicide at infosys - India Broadband Forum | January 25, 2008 at 10:45 pm
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Davinder | January 25, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I think such incidents clearly highlights how the youth are put under stress & made to work so hard just to yield lucrative results.
The Corporate sector have to understand one thing from such incidents that
“Profits can’t be earned at the stake of employee’s lives”
specially HR’s have to make it sure on behalf of the company.
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Tarun | January 26, 2008 at 2:16 pm
it is not that the whole world is not working but to let the world working we indians r being pushed to extreme limits and exploited up to the bone. we r minded people we can work harder and faster but we are “HUMAN BEINGS” this is to be remembered. all the IT firms in india take up projects at the lowest possible quotes and exploit its employees keeping the fact that the employees are also human beings aside. we have our personal lives and have right to enjoy it.
i think that this case should be brought in public so that those who r opting to come in IT business should be aware that it is “HELL”.
but above all it is a fact that “”Suicide is sin”" u have no right to end the auspicious life given by god, only he has the right to take it back.
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DEADLY INFOSYS | January 26, 2008 at 2:27 pm
nothing is gonna change…its a very big firm….and it doesn’t care for a single employee……….
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MANY STUDENTS R in QUEUE | January 26, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Even after the loss of 1 life..many more are now in queue to loose their life….b’cz after such a hectic schedule it is really impossible for 1 to loose his job because he is not unable to clear the last xam of 50 questions….
it means tht 50 questions can reflect the whole performance of an employee,…..even b4 the xam…may possible tht his/her mind status is not gud.,..b’cz f any personal problem….
but no…..chance is a chance,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,..atleast Infy can give for 1 year f time in production to show their performance….but no…..they can’t give………………….
B’cz they r having a plenty of yougsters ………. in queue to get into the Hel….so no care abt the existing employee…
1 will go…we’ll hire 100 more to torture….
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Deepak | January 29, 2008 at 2:26 am
It is their training which is killing people….they cut short 3 months training to 1 month (Jumbo fast track training) and make emloyees to clear exams with 65% mark…this put them under very high stress…moreover these emp wouldnt have failed in any of their college/school exams…this failure will lead to suicide…Infosys should make sure that people who fail in exams should be given proper training for the remaining months…
A human life is more important than project delivery….
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bakwaas IT | January 29, 2008 at 11:47 am
trust me guys, they didn’t even use 1 % of what they teach. they will train u in .net and will ask you to work on java. i till now didn’t understand the purpose of training.
And second thing, if a person fails the compre twice it’s the failure of the recruitment team who hire tham after interviwing. so the recruitment team should be thrown away and not the candidate. they have spoiled 6 months of his career. I am seriously pissed off with these IT companies.
GOD save them.
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mini | January 29, 2008 at 11:50 am
does anyone knw d details..as in the name, college etc??
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What is Truth? | January 29, 2008 at 12:26 pm
The other part of the story is that the girl died because of love failure? let not come to conclusions without knowing the full story.
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rupal | January 29, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I don think dat v sud blame Infy or IT for wat happened.The work pressure is nt only dre n nt only for dat gal.. its for everyone workin dre.bt stil if she commited suicide den its her weekness dat she cnt work under pressure.Everyone workin in ny IT firm ll agree to me.Ppl join d company thinkin dat its lik a honeymoon.dey ll enjoy,ll get money n exp.bt obviously u cnt get anythin widout hard work..even d workers involved in constructions n other jobs go thru intense work pressure,..dey don kill demslves for dis reason.a person b4 joinin anywre sud also consider hw much he/she can giv to it. if its not ur cup of tea den my frends its betta u stay away frm such things. bt don do such things latter n spoil d company image.n moreover u nvr kno dre cn b someother reasons behind wat she did!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bhatia | January 29, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I am an Infoscion and I agree with wat Rupal had said. She seems to be a gal with lots of brain. I love her comment. She is good. ..
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infy@123 | January 29, 2008 at 1:15 pm
It is all bakwas tht the suicide happened because of heavy work pressure.
There might be other reasons which is not being told. And let me tell you all people dashing IT companies, that if there is really an issue with the infosys way of training, then infosys will be the first one to come out with the details and solution.
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Revo | January 29, 2008 at 1:18 pm
please dont spoil the company repo by blaming it, many fail in the exams unfortunately sometimes people fail even after preparing a lot, once after joining the organisation every one should be mentally prepared to face the challenges that come and work hard to succeed, even i feel the hectic schedules during the training are also meant for the same purpose to make us ready to learn any technology within the shortest possible time and work stably under pressure when deadlines are not far
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infy guy | January 29, 2008 at 1:35 pm
If she has comited suicide after she failed in the compre then its a clear indication that it is the work pressure that has caused it. There is no doubt that the top shot Indian IT Cos r really putting lot of pressure on youth to extract more work in less time. Infy is not alone to be blamed here. I am 100% sure same is the case with all Indian IT cos (may some more and some less). Speaking of Infy itself (as I am experiencing things first hand for past 6+ yrs), there’s no doubt its different. The HR here is trying to squeeze in as much from employees as possible. Freshers training/Compre is one big nightmarish experience for freshers. Its almost like what new animals joining a circus troupe have to go through (no exaggeration here). It was not like this before (abt 3 or 4 yrs back). Not just Compre, even other training programs for employees. They have one stupid program for first time managers (name hidden for obvious reasons). Its 3 days of continuous (excruciating) training from 8 AM to more than 9 or 10 PM in the night. Funny thing is they even give some homework after that. And I know of some cos which are lot worse than this. Some people have left infy and re-joined only because its a better hell here. If Indians have to lead the life of humans this has to stop.
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Mathi | January 29, 2008 at 1:50 pm
infy recruited an un-matured girl….who doesnt know the value of life…..
corporate needs professionals not the un matured people who ll commit suicide for failing in exams……
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Leena | January 29, 2008 at 1:57 pm
It is not like that she committed suicide because she failed to pass test. her test result is not yet announced. There might be some personal problem. There is not relation of this case to infosys training or work load.
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Infy Identity | January 29, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I agree completely with Rupal… this situation is not a reflection of the company’s (infy’s) pressure to perform or anything of that sort – it is infact a reflection on the mindset of US – the youth of our country these days… there are people like myself, rupal, etc. who have the courage to stand up for their own mistakes/inabilities and there are others (like the one we are talking abt -IF THE STORY IS TRUE) who are not too strong in the head to handle such situations and finally end up giving their lives…
And tests are the only way to judge the performance of a person – how else do u think one’s abilities should be tested??? otherwise anyone could walk up to the IIM’s and tell – i dint do well in CAT b’coz of family problem BUT i am really good… therefore take me as i’ll be an asset to ur institution… YOU WILL SOUND DUMB!!!
Also, i’d like to quote an example (my own). the infosys training days at Mysore were among the best days of my life – we had time to play NFS/CS, Basketball every single day and perform well in all the tests (getting CGPA of 4.93/5.00) till the end. I think infy is one of the best indian companies that gives its employees so many comforts… This clearly shows one only needs to manage his/her time well to not get into the situation the girl in question has got into.
Also, i think mental power is the most important thing… one should have the courage to accept defeat sometimes in life – and also keep in mind that everyone who falls will rise some day…
and Mr.JASON BOURNE… please change ur name – its an insult to the actual character of Jason Bourne (my fav) to talk the way u do… i think u shud post such comments on orkut or some teen site – not here…
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IT sucker | January 29, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Guys, I think we should look at this with a broader perspective. Inf guy has brought forth some valid points but its stupid to blame it completly on lack of courage and all that crap. Go and tell ur 4.93/5.0 CGPA stories to some illiterate, dumb fellow in some remote village – he might believe it. You cant compare IIM with this. We know that only the toughest reach there unlike Infy. Its not just about Infy and not just about this girl. Its about the way things r going on in Indian IT cos. Literally sucking the blood out of Indian youth. The way they r losing on family life, personal life, peace of mind resulting in stress. And stress can do lot of things to you – like BP, sugar, heart attack, reduction of immunity and lot of other health problems. None of the IT cos give OT for extra hours – result is long evenings, night outs, weekend efforts for free. Same is not the case with any other country. And they speak about Indian labour policies being tough. The greed of these IT cos is clearly evident from their margins – 40%, 50% and even upto 70% in some projects. How is this achieved – more work less people. On top of all these work pressures they are expected to do certifications, contribute to org initiatives and what not.
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Infy Identity | January 30, 2008 at 11:10 am
dude… i agree getting into a good b-school is much tougher than getting into infy (or any other similar company). i just gave the example in reply to the earlier posts… i’m sorry if u dint like that…
BUT… any job makes you work hard(and so do the b-schools- did you know – every year approx.20(or more) people are thrown out of each IIM for not performing well…). and – the IT cos are no different – if you want the rewards – you have to work for it. people enjoy as long as they are on the bench – but once they get onto a project – they have to work for it… besides, ask any experienced IT guy/gal – if they did’nt spend too much time wathing the stock market/mailing, etc. they will have enuf time to finish their work during the weekdays and hav fun over the weekends. And you are mistaken about your opinion on the work-method in other countries (the west) – the community life is next to nothing out there and proffessionals work easily for about 12 and sometimes even 18 hrs a day… I dont think u’ve heard stories of people staying over in their office for a couple of days – without “OT” (google) till they finish their work. I know the company has loads of perks and free food, entertainment, etc. BUT one cannot expect all those if one is not good enuf to get into that company can they??? and besides, talking abt infy – we’ve got a wonderful campus – only thing is not everything is free (i kno this is not true with other companies).
Also, i dunno if u know this – but u know why the iim guys get paid so high? one single guy of an iim(any good b-school) is given the work of three guys to be done in the same span of time. By this, all they actually do is give 2 guys’ salary to one – thereby rewarding him well and at the same time saving the salary of one guy. This is actually to cut costs to and is followed by some of the biggest companies in the world – McKinsey, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, etc. This shows – if there is work- there will be pressure… hope u agree… and also- once YOU reach a certain level – maybe after 7-10 years of work – YOU are not put under so much pressure – instead – YOU put the same amount of pressure on your subordinates to work harder…
Think about it man – you want to grow big – learn to sacrifice a few things… But yes – i do agree some of the points… and i also dont think you know – but most of the MNC’s have come to India with only one thing in mind – skilled people for a lesser pay And more importantly – most of us have jobs because of this… and the country’s economy is actually at the level it is at only because of US – awesome na… I think all of us should reward ourselves for this with an exotic meal today
– dont u think??? enjoy ur lunch guys, u too Mr. Sucker… hav fun!
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infy guy | January 30, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Infy Identity are you stupid. You want to enjoy a lunch in celebration of a girl commiting a suicide. “maybe after 7-10 years of work – YOU are not put under so much pressure ” –> I am 8 yr experienced. And your dream of enjoying life after 7-10 yrs will never come true. Work pressure is proprortional to the yrs of experience. Ur inexperience clearly shows the way u r buidling dreams in vacuum. All the best. Meet me after 7-10 yrs and tell the same thing then.
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sam | January 30, 2008 at 2:36 pm
let’s not make this, a big issue, if the girl thought that she was in pressure than there is no harm in telling that & voluntarily quit the company becoz that’s not the end of the world.The ultimate step she has taken has to be criticized & hope no one will follow her footsteps. MAY GOD GIVE PEACE TO HER SOUL!!
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Infosys-The killing machine | January 30, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Another trainee attempted suicide at infosys mysore today.. This company should be renamed as the terminator.. For their generous exit policy which can see u out of company for so many things.. People are taken from non it streams and made to learn hardcore it stuff in a short time.. People who used to top in college in their branch are flunking here n thus coming under extreme pressure.. And as for the person who said that the previous person committed suicide coz of a love affair.. U are simply a case of gullible people misguided by deft HRs. That is something the company people told the guard there to tell anyone.. And her class was specially warned not to disclose this to anyone.. And as for people who say that pressure is a part of it industry.. Well pressure is of work in other companies.. Whereas here theres an added fear of loosing the job. Suicide is not the solution to any problem but this company should realize that we are humans first and then resources.
I don’t see any values driving this company only business requirements.. Because of which they are herding graduates from lesser known colleges who are not able to join a better company.. If u are a student placed in infy then be prepared for hard time n if u can get any other company then don’t come here.. Its a beautiful hell.. Better stay away.
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Yahoo | January 31, 2008 at 9:16 am
I think we shd not blame the company, nobody complains when techies are on bench for days bdoin nothing then y complain when overworked, might sound rude but techies are not given the best compensation among all segments for nothing. Everybody knows that job today is demanding and it is on the individuals to be mentally prepared for it. As for the HR, you guys have to improve a lot on work distribution and recruitments….
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Dee | January 31, 2008 at 9:37 am
The pressure to perform is very much an Indian phenomena. We hear of kids killing themselves during school exams, entrance exams and now this.
The girl could have floated her resume around, spoken to her friends, gotten help from a therapist.
Unfortunately in India few go for therapy and result is unhappy lives and tragic losses that could have been avoided.
Failure happens but again in India it is not seen as learning experience but a shameful reflection of an individual’s ‘inadequencies’.
This incident is a reflection of how warped our society really is.
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Infy Identity | January 31, 2008 at 9:39 am
okay guys… lets leave this discussion – its getting complicated… i dont think i can agree on infy guy’s opinion… but i’d like to end this on a good note – so lets just carry on with our work and try making our lives more comfortable ok… and Infy Guy – i did not ask u to hav lunch ‘coz of the girls demise…it was for a different reason – stop being Stuck Up in head – it’ll help u. i too feel really sad about it – just to inform you that u’re not the only Human around here…
Anyways – looks like quite a few of the people are’nt too happy with their job profiles and their personal lives… hope you guys figure things out for urselves (mayb a change of job/higher education(MBA) or somethin) soon and live a Happily Ever After kinda life… All the best for that.
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DEEPS | February 6, 2008 at 9:11 am
oooo.. if we neglect the life of one person today, but there are so many are in the queue that thinking the same… its all because of selfish peoples inside the company to become richer in the world .. because of them we are facing these everyday.. They “CARE FOR DAEDLINES RATHER THAN PEOPLE” …. ITS all about IT … ..People die everyday (rather than single day) .. its very shocking too…
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Sanjeev | February 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I personally feel that because of IT companies like infosys india is moving ahead. I agree that pressure will be there in most of the IT companies, however this is for the first time this incident has happened. People die to get in to the IT sector and one should be competitive to survive in this industry. The girl may have died due to some other reason and infy is not responsible for this incident.
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Ganesh | February 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Infy will continue to be like this untill people boycot infy! Only at that time, they or any IT giant, will realize the value of their employees! But what the hell, they will stop recruting in India and start the torture in lower countries like Philiphines etc…
Any IT company will boom only if it keeps it’s employees loyal! In the short run, incidents like these wont matter. But in the long run, when a person sees the track record of the company, many of these will matter….
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VIPUL DUBEY | February 13, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Well i think we are taking things in wrong direction. Well there are pressure everywhere, in college,school or any other company. Don’t you hear people doing such grave things in any other college/university. Well the question shoould be put to the people who join Infy before Infy coz when you enter Infy, ppl are informed about all teh pressure. I think it should be about how strong we are as a human being.
Let’s know what we are doing before starting to do it.If only a handful of ppl out of so many have succumbed to this pressure, shouldn’t we question our mental strenghts.
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infy sucks | February 13, 2008 at 4:24 pm
infy is one of the worst company to work for.i’ve been in infy for 5 months and as i didn’t clear 1 exam i’m out of the company.infy fires employees jus like anything.they do not understand the value of an employee.they jus want to make profit.certainly they will get screwed up one day
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In fo sy s | February 16, 2008 at 11:29 am
This is outrageous , they can not play with the lives of people jus for their profits. It’s horrible how they mass recruit just to increase the employee numbers, make students wait for upto 8mths to join the company and then throw them out just cause they failed their crappy exams. I have gone through the whole process 2 yrs ago and I know how dumb it is. It has no connection to what projects you actually work on, nor is it a test of intelligence. If Infy really wants to improve the quality of employees they should streamline their recruitment processes, instead of taking mass numbers and then throwing them out after a yr of wasted time. Also they should refrain from dumping resources on bench for ages and expecting the intelligent employees who have gone thru the crappy process to sit idle and twidle fingers for 2 months and slog like dogs for the next year, for 16hrs a day and over wknds. Pathetic ! to say the least.
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IT Slave | February 22, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Before passing comments like this, i will suggest that each one of us needs to do a little introspection as well. Infy and other such companies are spending millions of dollars on teaching us things that we should already be knowing. If we are not able to learn those things, the company cannot do much about it.
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DRACULA | February 23, 2008 at 5:33 pm
There had been much of a debate on the issue already, now just one question , there are many other IT companies in India above and below infy we are not hearing such incidents from any of them why?
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wanna be infoscion | February 28, 2008 at 2:16 am
hello folks…me just recived offer letter from infy lookin forward for the so called ‘Infy Trainin’ in Mysore and im very hopfull its gonna b a gr8 experience…i juss wannna know sumthing mor abt trainin in infy nd wht r the prerequisites or things to learn b4 jumpin into it…like wht do they make us teach java or .net or SAP …so that i can get acquanted wid tht in these 3motnhs n reduce if not avoid the stress levels….
hopin ill get sum help from the infoscions in here…also if any 1 can let us know abt other active infy forums….. itll b a gr8 help fr all wanna be infoscions…
(if poss u cn add me avi_invincible@yahoo.co.in)
god bless
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wanna be infoscion | February 28, 2008 at 2:21 am
pardon if ne typo errors found 219am i ws half asleep:)
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anshuman bhatia | March 1, 2008 at 9:27 pm
hey all those bullshits being talked in this comment is jus pretty pathetic. at least plz try to understand the nature of trainin which an employee goes under. the amount of stress n strain is just intolerable. plz don raise a finger on anyone whom u don kno about .
MAY HER SOUL REST IN PEACE!!!!!
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thomas a m | March 7, 2008 at 10:27 pm
this gonna be very crazy..i’m an engg graduate frm Kerala..just got placed at infy..Frm the above commnts posted i understud one thing: training at infy is easy for some brainy guys..(may b frm IITs) and tuf for guys frm local engg colleges like mine..but i’m sure that i can go thru all these intense situations..
bcoz i luv..IT and not just Infosys or its Salary or its campus.Be positive..and i feel really sad abt the infocians who blame their company…
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paul | March 17, 2008 at 6:55 pm
hello infoscions
I’m a fresher. i got selected in infosys this january.i’m a MCA
student.i wanna know when will they send any confirmation letter or a mail to me.
also please tell me somethin about their training procedure.(paul_t20@yahoo.co.in)
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thomas a m | March 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Dont brood much abt these guys…ther is nothing so BIG deal with this…WE WILL MANAGE IT!! WE WILL MAKE INFY A HEAVEN be cooLLLL…[this posting is dedicated to my sweety...]
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LiveLifeKingSize | March 25, 2008 at 3:15 am
Hi Every One……thers a simple……request to all of you.. DONT PANIC for COMPRE…….I was a Fresher when I joined Infy………..The pressure was immense…….Stacking up everything into the mind was like a nightmare…………Me and many of my friends……….went thru the same hell…..Finally we couldnt make it up……………believe me ….even after trying 21 hrs day….we couldnt make it possible…….the HR asked us to quit……It was the hardest day of a Fresher’s life………..but ……Finally I have crossed those bad days…….and presently working with a top MNC in United States……….I am currently employed with YAHOO……..and believe me Infy’s failure……….has made me learn that hardwork gets rewarded if not in INFY ……..then somewhere better than that……..Its like I feel I havnt lost anything…….its Infy which lost employees……….
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Don'tWorry | March 31, 2008 at 11:37 am
for ppl from IT background…u can easily scrape through the training..just pay attention in classes…will be more than sufficient!!!
4 ny queries about TRAINING add me @ varun_690@yahoo.co.in
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ashish garg | June 23, 2009 at 12:41 am
i m from a non it background(b.e.mechanical)…i got placed in infy in 2008 and got the offer leeter to join in oct2009….i have heard many negative things regarding infy trainin…(hire and fire policy).even my software skills r not upto date .is it true….reply at ashishgarg30@yahoo.com
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ashish garg | June 23, 2009 at 12:42 am
i m from a non it background(b.e.mechanical)…i got placed in infy in 2008 and got the offer leeter to join in oct2009….i have heard many negative things regarding infy trainin…(hire and fire policy).even my software skills r not upto date .is it true….reply at ashishgarg30@yahoo.com
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Snake | May 7, 2008 at 9:27 am
I fail to feel sympathetic for someone who suicides.
Killing yourself just because you thought the training exercise was too hard? Just goes to show something about your personality and confidence level.
Everyone has problems, but not all of us go ahead and chuck ourselves. People have become pussies thesedays…
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Wiser | May 13, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I have spent over two years of my life in Infosys and i hated every moment of it. They make sure you work for four times the amount that they pay you. On top of that they compulsorily make you do things other than your work. Infy Identity, you are the typical shallow minded Indian modern day peasant who will work work and work until he drops dead for the promise of oniste and a few extra rupees. Yes, spend you whole life in office, forget what peace of mind is, earn millions which you have no time to spend, have a vaguely familiar face called your wife to manage your home. It is a great way to spend life. The training methods are torturous to say the least. And work pressure is so enormous even brilliant minds are forced to spend half their lives in office. That is the bare and bitter truth. And leeching the life out of someone isn’t justified by paying him a big salary. And please do not pass ignorant comments like people work 12-18 hours in western countries. I live in America and here I work from 9-6 with extremely rare exceptions. In jobs with emergencies like police, utility companies etc people sometimes work 24 hours on the go; but they are amply compensated (as time off) for it later. That is unlike Infosys where you are expected to be at the gate 9 AM sharp, no matter what time you left at night.
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Good Person | June 20, 2008 at 11:13 am
Really they are hiring more and more pshyco peoples. So except pshyco peoples, no body can survive.
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viper | June 22, 2008 at 10:04 pm
guys like infy indentity jus try to show off their CGPA’s to people jus because he got it!
dude grow up!!
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nikhil | July 2, 2008 at 4:34 pm
see the frustration of persons in INFY………..
man I am also working in this company…. dont know when i will get down from here
It would really never care about any employee…. they know lot of persons are there to hire………This mail is genuine one…..not a fake one………
if you want you can enquire with some one in INFY
________________________________________
From: Harsha Chandrashekar Kogod
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:02 AM
To: Richard Lobo; Narayana N. R. Murthy; M. D. Pai; Kris Gopalakrishnan; Nandan M. Nilekani; Kris Gopalakrishnan, Infosys Tech. Ltd.; Shibulal; K. Dinesh
Cc: Srinivasa Kumar Prabhakar Arikera; Anjali Rao Surathi; Rekha Nair (HRD); Nishita Das; ARINDAM GHOSH; IMS-Group; HRDER_MGRS; HRDER_TEAM
Subject: Very serious concern which really needs to be addressed by the management
Importance: High
Hello Sir \ Madam,
I was denied a transfer from IMS to PLES even when there was requirement and I was eligible for the position and was told that IMS polices does not permit inter unit transfers like other units in Infosys. Every time a person goes to IMS HR she\he is told about IMS policies which are completely different from other units and employee needs to work in night shifts. A question arises if IMS is a different company or part of Infosys??….It is mistake on the part of company that it never informed Engineers during recruitment that one might be put into projects where she\he might be required to work in shifts and might be allotted to a unit called IMS which would have completely different policies. This in not at all justified.
Some other companies like Wipro, Unisys, Kean etc mention in the requirement during recruitment (or at least in the offer letter) that “Engineers will be working for Infrastructure services”, these are for the similar jobs which are carried out in several projects by IMS. This is not at all an issue with me but I have noticed that doing this kind of job against once will certainly de motivates the Engineer. It is companies responsibility to inform the recruit during her\his recruitment that they might be put into such projects, So one can make the decision whether she\he can join the company or not. Please don’t spoil an Engineer’s life. Other degree graduates (Diploma, B.Sc, B.A etc…) while joining to IMS are informed about night shifts and their work in IMS ( It is even included in their offer letters ) but that is not the case with BE \ B.Tech graduates (It was informed for only a selected bunch of Engineers) . I raised this issue with our unit HR and she replied saying that for Engineers they can only include a clause about night shifts and not about IMS in the offer letter. Is this justified? … This is unlawful and completely unethical behavior by the company. It appears that Infosys has cheated all BE \ BTech graduates ( except very few who were informed during the interview ) by keeping them in darkness and putting them to IMS. Now even when there is opportunity for unit transfers we are denied the transfer by stating that IMS has different policies unlike other units in Infosys. I had requested IMS HR to mail me the copy of IMS policies but still I haven’t received one.
When the policies are completely different for IMS why can’t the company do a new policy of giving a relaxation of one year for unit transfers in the WithINFY initiative for IMS Engineers.
We were informed about the night shifts only after getting into IMS and were given no choice and were forced to sign the NSA (Night Shift Allowance) agreement without signing which we wouldn’t get NSA but we need to work in the night. Isn’t it against Indian law to make a person work in night shift without informing her\him about the shifts during recruitment of while allotting her\him to this unit?
There are many engineers who have serious health concerns due to working in night shifts and they too are not given unit transfer and are kept on bench as buffers giving them assurance that they will be allotted to UK time based projects.
Something has to be done by the company to address this issue and all those Engineers who were put into IMS without prior notification about the kind of work and shifts involved should get justice.
It would be better if IMS is split from Infosys and made as separate subsidiary like Infosys BPO and recruit Engineers separately. If these issues are not addressed properly I’m sure that Infosys is going to spoil its Brand name in the market. Now I can understand why the company has fallen to 5th position from 1st in the survey “Best companies to Work for in India”.
I have already put down my papers and will be out of the company by July. Kindly request you to look at this matter on high priority as it is affecting many engineers.
“INFOSYS is powered by intellect and driven by values”
- is keeping a recruit in darkness about the nature of her\his work the value of company? or should I say these are the values of IMS?
I know I have made very serious allegations but this is what is happening in IMS and it needs to addressed properly by the higher management. I have even discussed the same with our DC HR and unit HR. Hope you all will come out with some policies so that it wouldn’t spoil any more engineer’s life as it is happening right now in IMS!
Looking forward for a quick response from the higher management. Hope the management will take this in the right sense. As Infosys has always valued and given importance to visibility with in the organization I’ve included IMS-Group in the mail. I respect INFOSYS and its founders so I don’t want our company to loose its name as the most respectable company.
_______Thanks & Regards________
HARSHA
________________________________________
From: Richard Lobo
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:36 PM
To: Harsha Chandrashekar Kogod; Narayana N. R. Murthy; M. D. Pai; Kris Gopalakrishnan
Cc: Srinivasa Kumar Prabhakar Arikera; Anjali Rao Surathi; Rekha Nair (HRD); Swaminathan Ramachandran; Avinash Garg; Sudhir Nair; Nishita Das; ARINDAM GHOSH
Subject: RE: Some concern which really needs to be addressed by the management
Dear Harsha,
Please don’t take drastic decisions like giving up and quitting. There is nothing like a career coming to an end because of the kind of work that you do.
Please discuss your concerns with our HR team at Hyderabad (I have requested them to connect with you) and together with your managers, let us work out a solution.
Thanks
richard
From: Harsha Chandrashekar Kogod
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:11 PM
To: Narayana N. R. Murthy; Mohandas Pai; Kris Gopalakrishnan
Cc: Richard Lobo; HRDER_MGRS; HRDER_TEAM; Srinivasa Kumar Prabhakar Arikera; Anjali Rao Surathi; Rekha Nair (HRD); Swaminathan Ramachandran; Avinash Garg; Sudhir Nair
Subject: Some concern which really needs to be addressed by the management
Importance: High
Dear Sir,
It has been an year that I’ve joined Infosys and I’ve noticed sometime weird about this company. The company is surely making profit no doubt about that but I’ve noticed that it always cares for customer satisfaction and gives very less prominence to employee. I think our company can increase the customer satisfaction and also employee satisfaction by allotting the resources properly and make more profit.
Let me give my own example. I did my training from our beautiful campus in Mysore. After my generic training I was allotted to IMS. As I’m a Mechanical engineer, was always fascinated to be a Design Engineer and dreamed of getting into PLES and I even had the required skills. I tried real hard to get into that ECU. I had contacted people at PLES and PLES HRD and they are ready to take me in as they found me to be proficient in CAD. But unfortunately the same day I was allotted to IMS, HR at IMS didn’t relieve me. This is what one can call as improper resource management. This is happening with every engineer. If you identify the skills and allot that Engineers that would increase the CSAT and employee satisfaction too. Salary is not the only thing which matters to the employee.
Now I’ve been thrown into Hyderabad on a support project where I find that my career has come to an end. Nothing much to learn over here and now I’m even loosing my Design skills I guess. Recently when I was considering of quitting the company I got a communication from PLES that there is a requirement in Pune but I got a very negative response from my higher officials.
Our company has taken an initiative to address these issues by launching “With Infy”. I ‘m sure this is all for covering up things and this won’t help any Infoscions like me. My PM told me directly that our DM told in the meeting that they won’t entertain any unit transfers and the employee can quit the company. The company has started treating its employee like bonded labors.
We are put into night shifts. That’s not at all a problem with me. But sometimes it becomes really hectic that we need to attend these ILI session and other trainings in the morning after night shifts. Please give some thought to this, your employees need some peace of mind and rest. No one dares to say this all directly to you, everyone just curses the company behind the management.
I’m considering of quitting the company. Please kindly address this issue and see that this doesn’t happen to another engineer at Infosys which will make her/him fall in the path of his career and make her/him feel that she/he committed the biggest mistake in her/his life by opting to join Infosys and don’t crush a budding engineer’s dream.
_______Thanks & Regards________
HARSHA
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Prerak Choudhary | July 5, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Hi guys..i just got selected in infy campus placements…..
Just wanted to know what is the future…as in when will i get an ofer…whether they pay well nd pay on time….what are we supposed to do? Is all the allurement about their mysore campus true? And….i am from a Non IT background…how much will they pressurize…etc.etc
Please reply at prerakchoudhary@gmail.com
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Terminator | July 17, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Its just very easy to call Some one immature,Unprofessional when That person is not in this world to defend herself.Many Bright Engineers from Many Reputed Institutions around India Have Joined Infy and they were Shown the exit doors.
I am An Infoscion and have undergone that trainig for 5 months.
Its Very easy To say every Thing stading outside the matter and blaming the poor soul for the act she comitted.But For some time step into her shoes and realize what made her do so before giving many bookish theories.I am Not defending her act but some times death is preferable when life will be more of a hell.It All depends On the situation.we Dont have any Rights to Judge any other Individual Before Knowing the actual cause.
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Subramaniam | September 2, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Sorry to see this ………
Infosys Spoils Many of the lives by not giving proper training or not understanding ones situation, people selected for the Company has the ability to work…….They never utilize them…..
For them it is very silly out of thousand one commits suicide……Think about the girls family and life……………..
By…….Person Directly Affected by Infosys……….
Infosys……….Going Down under
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Subramaniam | September 2, 2008 at 10:53 pm
All that glitters are not gold…………..
Only the Grand Old 25years name is there at Infy and Nothing Else……..
they allow poor knowledge people to copy in Compre Exams and keep them and make a bakwas programmer and say they are the best and sends out an average programmer to lose his career………
Well this happens every year for more than 50 people…….
At last atleast one or two commits suicide………..
Its better not to recruit them ………………
Atleast their lifes are safe…………………..
Narayanamoorthy………Worlds praise him……..But not me………Because he is also a major culprit in this act……
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Rakesh | October 6, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Guys…guys…guys…just get your facts right!!!!
The girl killed herself during training not in production where actual work happens.
How the hell you guys knew that she is in to which training.
This is the first time such thing happened. Every year there are around 20-25K people are being trained.
Just go to Mysore and ask trainee how they are enjoying life beside training. You will get the fact.
Stop blaming NarayanMurthy and others as they did not ask you morons to join Infy.
I AM PROUD TO BE INFOSCION.
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Vikram | October 7, 2008 at 4:24 am
This act clearly shows that there is no transparency in infosys.
55.
omkar | October 7, 2008 at 5:52 pm
This is not confirmed but i have heard for someone in infy mysore that the poor girl was going to go through the exit procedure. I wouldnt like to add anything else and just hope HR people over there are sympathetic to own employees and feel the pain once before designing this training or whatever shit it is.
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Sambit | October 7, 2008 at 7:37 pm
I knew her from school. She was a very sweet and intelligent girl
So please stop writing rubbish about her. She was a real person and her sad demise is nothing to gossip about.
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Rajan | October 8, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Sambit is right. I too know the girl and her family for last many years. She has done exceptionally well in her training. The story is totally inaccurate and baseless.
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Kalyan | October 12, 2008 at 3:33 am
I have been with Infosys for the past four years. And, I would like to vouch that Infosys takes the uttermost care of its employees. It has one of the best and most open processes in the IT field and not even the competitors would argue with this statement.
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Avenger | October 17, 2008 at 12:21 am
Please take care about what u r saying guys. I am very sad about that girl committing suicide due to some reason. But plz take in mind that they notify at time of induction itself about the nature of training and rules to be followed. So its ur responsibility to take care about it. But believe me the mysore training is nothing less than heaven. And to add a incident- 50% of my batchmates did flunk in the final exam during training – the paper and course was real tough. But some of them are at onsite now and we – some of the top-scorers are still at offshore living normal life. So guys it all depends on the business requiremts who is allocated what and where. Also Infy cant keep everyone happy at the same time. You have to accept the challenge and come out victorious. And everybody is aware of the work environment of Infy and its Infrstructure – which is the best compared to any other Indian IT company.
At the end there are some compromises which are not beneficial for some and we do need to raise a point for it from time to time but plz dont blame Infy for such things and definately not NRN. Because Infy (NRN) has always strived hard for making the lfe of people simple.
do visit this link once http://www.orble.com/most-hiring-and-firing-it-companies/
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anand | January 15, 2009 at 2:02 am
Let met tell me my story.
Infy is a *ucking company. all hypocracy.I joined 3 years back dropping public sector offer. i was mech graduate,kind of ambitious.they put me in IMS worst ibu, all full of any shithole graduate,,all office support crap.still i performed,got CRR1 every time,but no promotion,no onsite,no single rupee other than petty salary and annual hike.i left these mom*uckers.wasted my precious
days. I want to kill someone.
thousands of ignited mind who could develop great products,are licking whole worlds’ service ass in these AC jars with jeans-clad anglcized brats.
hell no.
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Harsha | July 31, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Right said Anand. Those who get into IMS like us are completely ruined. Our life n career spoiled. When I had mailed the management. No one from management was ready to answer those questions and just waited for me to leave the company because they knew that the fault was from their end. They are there to make money and won’t bother how others life get screwed.
There are lucky ppl who get into good units and get proper job. These r the only people who say that the company has done a great job.
Just let them see the replies I got from folks working in IMS for the mail which I had sent to the management, they will know how miserable life is many ppl in IMS.
62.
Justin | January 24, 2009 at 2:18 am
Please think before you join infosys you will feel as if you have sold yourself to a pimp
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Devil | April 17, 2009 at 8:15 pm
I dont know how was Infy 5 years back because I joined Infy some 3 years back. But I must share something that at that time there was no fear of recession but still training was made tough and people were laid off from training if they did not clear their both the compres. The training became more tough and negative got introduced. I hope people do understand after being a good student in college and then being selected in the campus interview of a company everyone would like to have an easy life. But if after joining the company one gets to realise that things are not easy then its a shock.
Again it depends on person to person we should not expect everyone to be strong enough to deal with pressure. After all we cant comment on why a person could not deal with work pressure.
Also this is not the first time someone at mysore campus committed suicide beacuse of training pressure yes but this is the first time such a thing has come in news. I know many Infoscions also wont be aware that many trainees in the past have died because they could not take the pressure.
No company will take the responsibility that a trainee died because of their strict policies. And no employee will come forward to say that his/her training mate committed suicide. Again because of the fear of being laid off from the company.
I hope most people will agree with me that there have been many policy changes which are not at all employee friendly. And we know that in future many more such policy changes will come.
At one side infy is going in the good books by showing that they are still recruiting. These day the training period has extended to 7-8 months where a person is trained into 2 streams. I dont understand for training employees so much money is invested. At one side infy is laying off while at the other side it is investing money over the trainees. And after the training if the trainees are not upto the mark then lay them off.
I would just suggest the freshers that you have just been given a joining date and not an assurance that you will be in the job for a year or so. Also before joining any company not just infy get a clear idea as to what are the policies of the company. Even we who are infy dont get fair idea about the policies.
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sanjana | July 1, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I agree that infy is the most hypocritic company. I laboured for them almost 3 years. I was one of the best performers,still bcos i had a bullshit evil manager who din know wat management was and underwent mental torture under her. Anyways I got laid off after being given a crr 4 wheras the ppl who i trained and tht feather brained idiotic manager got into good books.All these happened just bcos of altercation with manager. The shocking part was even though the Hr’s knew it was a case of maliciousness and fraud by both the manager and dm, they chose not to act on thm but instead tortured me for bringing the isue up. In any case i feel better after leaving them. i only hope none of u hv to go thru wat i went thru in this f**king company
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SWETS | September 11, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I got exit from infy in july ,there will be 3 training schedule generic, stream, extended .People u don believe i got all 90 marks in genere
in stream all my modules started fail u know they are asking us to learna subject in 3 days and do hands on ONLINE!!!! where this subjects are needed 6 months to learn. They make new rules everyday they banned laptops. Next rule may be DONT BRING BOOKS OR PENS TO CLASSES TO NOTE DOWN Ha Ha Ha.
I am topper in electronics dept in my college .For the first time i faced failure ,i am really depressed cant come out of the shock from 2 months. they destroyed our life they made us to wait for 8 months to give this shock.